The result was the .350 Legend. A straight-walled .35 caliber cartridge, designed for lever actions and single shots. Which of these two classic lever-action rifle deer and big-game cartridges is best? crying, My kingdom for a rifle.. For a more detailed discussion on .35 Remington hunting ammunition, read this article: Best .35 Remington Ammo For Hunting Deer, Bear & Other Big Game. Sadly, my favorite bullet diameter, the .35 caliber, doesnt even rate a blip on the American shooters radar screen. If I were a Midwest hunter, Id dive on top of the 350 Legend, as it gives what I consider to be the most bang for the buck. But in 2003 Remington decided to attempt a resurrection. Id be hunting deer with my father the following season, and that alone was a dream come true. I feel the cartridges offer very similar performance, at similar ranges. The .35 Rem. Today, thats not so much the case; the .30/30 is pushing the .35 out the door and its popularity or whats left of it will probably die with Generation X. I've been told that Winchester will soon produce full-metal-jacket (FMJ) ammunition for the .350 Legend, and that the FMJ load will cost even less per box. Mag..404 Jeffery vs. .416 Rigby.243 Winchester vs. 6mm Creedmoor.300 PRC vs. .300 Win. [5] Most ammunition available today for the .351 SL is produced by a few boutique manufacturers, often using either cast lead bullets or copper-plated bullets or, occasionally, .358 jacketed bullets resized to .351 or .352 caliber. With a 200-grain bullet the .35 Whelen actually shoots a bit flatter than the .30-06 Sprg. While it has been chambered in many different rifles, the combination of the Marlin Model 336 rifle and the .35 Remington has achieved true classic status, in spite of the fact that the rifle was introduced 1948. in 1957 and .351 ammunition was offered for several years after that. It is probably best restricted to use on animals of not more than about 50 pounds live weight, such as small predators. The ammunition situation is a little better than the rifles. is a wonderful cartridge, but nobody buys them. It is true that the cartridge has its limitations, but used under the right circumstances, itis an outstanding choice. The Winchester cartridge has an overall length of 2.71 and uses a case 2.045 long. Most ammunition makers have a 200-grain load, and Remington also has a 150-grain load with a muzzle velocity of 2300 f.p.s. Its even more effective when using some of the hotter loads (like those from Buffalo Bore) available on the market. From the Green Goblin (a bolt-action rifle I built on a Remington action), both will produce groups that are sub-minute-of-angle. was designed to compete with the very popular .38-55 Win. The .35 Rem., by contrast, can be much more difficult to find. Here's the inside story of what they found and how they're rebuilding an industry giant. In 1953, the cartridge found its home in Marlins 336 lever-action, but it also was favored by many who hunted big game with single-shot pistols like the Contender. In the eastern United States where black bear and deer are typically hunted in dense timber over bait and from stands, or where theyre rooted out of the dark forest or thickets by savvy woodsmen, the .35 Remington seems to be preferred. It arrived with. Versatility vs. .35 Rem. from a 20" Introduced only two years apart, the .223 Remington and the .243 Winchester couldnt have come from more different neighborhoods of the firearms world. At ranges less than 100 yards, likewhen hunting whitetail deeror black bear in thick cover,the cartridge excels and is absolutely deadly on big game. Mag. That version is in some dispute, with evidence that Whelen himself developed the cartridge or at least worked with Howe on its development. Those traditional lead-core bullets have proved their worth in the field, but its tough to compete with the advancements in bullet-making of the last 20 years. A major online retailer only lists four loads for the .35 Remington but lists 35 different options for the .30/30. Scoped and out to 350 yards the 308 has it hands down. Fusion Ammo has a 200-grain with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. At 100 yards it will hit with 1861 foot-pounds of energy. Its a decent cartridge, but American hunters just wont flock to it. Be sure to hit that Subscribe button in your podcast player! Even the 200-grain LEVERevolution .35 Remington load retains 1711 foot-pounds of energy at 100 yards. The 2019 SHOT Show saw the release of the latest cartridge from Winchester: the 350 Legend. My mom made the best elk pot roast, Outstanding article. Before we get started, I have an administrative note:Some of the links below are affiliate links. Spl. Admittedly though, I was cheering for the .35 Rem. Posts: 16,091. Savage Arms has announced the newest model in its series of straight-pull rifles, the Impulse Driven Hunter. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. While the American mainstream wont accept the .35, they are not unloved. Lets take a look at the two champions of the deer woods, and perhaps finish the conversation started three-plus decades ago. Remington marketed the cartridgeas a superior alternative to another extremely popular cartridge that excelled under those same circumstances: the venerable .30-30 Winchester. It has far more knockdown power than the .30-30 under any conditions at any range. So, in recognition of both the strengths and weaknesses of the cartridge, the .35 Remington gained a good reputation among American huntersseeking an effective woods cartridge for pursuing game in areas where shots inside 100 yards were the norm. Re: 35 Remington vs. 358 Winchester. Thompson Center also manufactures their break action, single shot Contender pistol in .35 Remington for handgun hunters who love the cartridge. The Winchester 351 self-loading rifle is amazing, and unique enough to add true value to your gun colle. It has accounted for almost all, if not all, North American game species, and the famous African PH Wally Johnson used one to kill lions in his early years in Mozambique. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. Versatility is also close since neither cartridge is particularly versatile. Shaw rifles 24-inch barrel. 25 yard broadside shot with his 35 Remington put it down in thick brush. The only rifles I can find in production are from Nosler, Remington and CVA. Mag. The .35 Remington has proven itself for almost a century as a reliable short-range woods cartridge for medium-sized game such as deer and black bear. The .358 Norma Mag. vs. .300 WSM.223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington. with 1,400 ft.-lbs. Now, in this comparison, I will freely admit that the .35 Remington is not legal for those areas for which the 350 Legend was designed, as the .35 Remington is a bottle-necked cartridge, but there has been quite a bit of rumbling among those hunters who appreciate the short to mid-range cartridges, about whether or not the switch to the new cartridge is worthwhile. Curious how the new .360 Buckhammer will be received by the market. Winchester offered .351 WSL factory loads loaded with 180 Both conceived in the early 20th century, the .270 Winchester and the .30-06 Springfield are ballistically similar, easy to find, and chambered in a wide variety of rifles. Its simply a matter of velocity and ballistic coefficient; the 30-30 pushes the lighter and more aerodynamic 30-caliber bullet faster so it has a flatter trajectory. The 200 grain bullet has an advertised muzzle velocity of 2,225 feet per second and a muzzle energy of 2,198 foot pounds. From 100 yards it was tracked with 1861 foot-pounds of awesome power. Enter the 350 Legend. This helps support the blog and allows me to continue to create free content thats useful to hunters like yourself. Usually, Id give the nod here to the .35 Rem., and theres no question it hits harder. Read on for his take on this Thai-inspired fusion dish. Thanks for your support. Driving a 160-grain jacketed bullet to a velocity of just over 2300 fps, it represented a fantastic hunting cartridge for its time. As much as its a .30/30 vs. .35 thing, it might be just as much an East vs. West, thing. Commonly known as the Model 07, the Model 1907 rifle was also popular for law enforcement use. cast bullets to .352". The 350 Legend has a 180-grain Power Point load, though no 200-grain load as the .35 Remington does. Those same characteristics that made the .35 Remington such an effective choice on really large animals during the 20th Century still ring true today. Ruger briefly chambered the M77 rifle in .35 Whelen. Most only in imaginations. Winchester is among the leaders in the entire ammunition industry in terms of high-volume production of both .223 Rem. The .35SL proved popular at first with the general public as a short-range deer and black bear hunting cartridge, but was soon superseded by the introduction of the more powerful .351SL in the Winchester '07. Mag. I have a .356 Win. In 1968 the 600 Magnum was replaced by the Model 660 Magnum, which featured a 20-inch barrel, but it was never a big seller, and Remington dropped the rifles. Naturally, this resulted in performance compromises and the The exception to that rule is Hornadys LeveRevolution ammo line, which uses a pliable tip on a spitzer bullet to afford a much flatter trajectory in both cartridges. starting load is also 17.0 grains and the MV 1658 fps. would follow that tradition. Thats a question I just dont understand. I double lunged a buck with a 225gr. There have been many others, such as the .35-30 Maynard (both in the 1865 and the 1882 versions) and .35-40 Maynard. Decades of experience with handguns and holsters have given the author some excellent insights into the most popular designs. So, which one comes out on top in a head-to-head matchup? In rifle cartridges, we usually take the safe route and .30-caliber has emerged as the American shooters choice. Mag. The 600 Magnum suffered from a barrel that was too short at 18 inches. They include both the AccuBond and the Partition 225-grain bullets with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. check. Due in part to this rounds greater popularity and in part to the R&D surrounding .30-caliber pills, the .30-30 can be loaded with far more advanced projectiles. The 223 Remington has an overall length of 2.26 and uses a 1.76 long case. All we do know for sure is that it was either Howe or Whelen, or both, who necked the .30-06 Sprg. With a 200-grain bullet at 2460 f.p.s., it is a heavy-hitter on whitetails. grains of IMR 4227 for a MV of 1751 fps. Marlin offers the Model 336 in both .30-30 and .35 Rem., but its unclear whether Ruger (which recently purchased Marlin) will continue the line. As Barnes puts it, the .35 Rem. The old timers that designed big cartridges like the 35 Remington knew what it took to kill big game like elk and moose not to mention deer in brush along river banks. was included in that party is a mystery, as it had no Winchester counterpart. can drive the same weight bullet a bit faster. It arrived with three other cartridges designed to compete with Winchesters popular lever-action lineup. For .30-30, the same search produced 5,841 results. was simply a .308 Win. projectiles, and by designing 350 Legend to. Mag. This means I will earn a small commission (at no extra cost to you) if you make a purchase. The barrel is a full 22 inches, like it always should have been, but the foolish design with the huge shark fin front sight turned hunters off, and it was dropped. hits a little harder, but only clocks in at 13 ft.-lbs. of energy. Of the two, which serves the hunter better? The original load of the cartridge propelled a 200 grain, .35 caliber, bullet at just under 2,100 feet per second. Why the public abandoned it so quickly is a mystery to me. For a while Savage chambered it in the Model 99, and I am still looking for one I can afford. Bottles & 12-oz. Whitetail hunting strategies for the next generation. This new model featured two new cartridges, the .350 Rem. Neither produce much felt recoil, which makes them perfect for lighter rifles and newer hunters. Winchesters 160-grain Power Max gives very similar performance, though with a bonded-core hollowpoint bullet. Henry Repeating Arms recently presented a $25,000 check a nonprofit organization that provides support and programs for the families and co-workers of firefighters killed in the line of duty. Federal, for example, offers 12 varieties of the .30-30, including loads in their excellent Trophy Copper and HammerDown series. The .30-30 is among the most popular small-bore sporting cartridges ever produced and, shortly after its introduction, Winchester, Savage, Marlin, and Remington were offering lever-action, bolt-action, rolling-block, and single-shot rifles. of energy with a 7.5-pound rifle, according to Chuck Hawks recoil table. By contrast, the .35 Rem. The origins of the .35 Whelen are controversial even today. On Wednesday, the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) sent a notice of intent to sue to the U.S. Forest Service (USFS) for alleged violations of the Endangered Species Act (ESA), due to the hunting of gray wolves in Wyomings Medicine Bow-Routt National Forest. If youre hoping to save your wallet rather than your shoulder, the .30-30 is the way to go. The .35 Remingtons heavier and larger diameter bullets just seem to make critters fall down faster. Book an outstandingAfrican safari hunt here. The .35 Remington was one of a quartet of cartridges released by Remington in 1906, and it was chambered for the Remington Model 8 autoloading rifle. Mag.-all with a bigger, heavier bullet that will punch a bigger hole and penetrate deeper. Both of these .35 Remington ammo choices offer slight improvements over typical factory loads. Make sure you follow The Big Game Hunting Blog onFacebook,Instagram,Twitter, andYouTube. The '06 has been the big-game king forever. The .35 Rem. .30-30 Win. 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