14. And in each role the actor shines with tools he says hes gained from poetry, his family, and yes, even clown class. The Platters Distantly tied for third includes Flavor Flav, Lennon ("I'm starting a new religion, and I'm calling it baggism"), Sly Stone. 8/10 = No Brainers 1997 Many of the Miracles' songs have been major hits or important recordings for other artists. Adrian Dantley, 75. . The 2017 and 2018 inductees are not in the pyramid yet! CCR: 9/10 Was Shaquille ONeal the one Pantheon player who could have been top five if he really wanted it? the notorious big - 2 The Paul Butterfield Blues Band: 3/10 KISS (Level 2) Jackie Wilson The Supremes, Mary Wells, Brenda Holloway, Barbara Mason. 120. (This is an incomplete list, as songs by the Miracles continue to be covered by more artists each year) 105. Depeche Mode (Level 2) 1986 Robert Johnson Bill Russell was a very important pioneer for the NBA and the modern player, he was a winner, and he was a great leader. 2017 . Admittedly quite bad, but he's already represented without the halo effect. Tom Waits: 8/10 Cheap Trick "Can You Love a Poor Boy" Bobby Vee, Softones, Gil Bernal, Ronnie Walker. Moses Malone, 13. I know, they did it with the strength of ONE album. "Give Me Just Another Day" Young Jeezy (as the basis for his song, "Mr 17.5"), Schoolboy Q, Wade Waters, Christina Milian, Rick Ross, Marco Polo feat. I am williams by name. 86. 12. 1997 Mahalia Jackson As a link between boogie-woogie, jump blues, and rhythm & blues, he is a highly important name and should not be ranked lower than less relevant names like Buffalo Springfield, The (Young) Rascals, Jackson Browne, The Righteous Brothers, and Gene Pitney. Depeche Mode-Level 2 Re: Bill Simmons NBA Hall of Fame Pyramid, Quote from: Josh on June 02, 2010, 10:22:44 pm, Quote from: cheloLP on June 02, 2010, 10:18:57 pm, Quote from: Josh on June 02, 2010, 11:17:05 pm, Quote from: Josh on June 02, 2010, 11:31:51 pm, Quote from: t-mac357 on June 02, 2010, 11:38:30 pm, Privacy Notice/Your California Privacy Rights, Topic: Bill Simmons NBA Hall of Fame Pyramid (Read 15826 times). Did the management of this establishment put you up to this? So that doesn't really mean anything. I still question that there isn't more room in each rung, there should be more room added with each class. Yeah, the Pyramid's bias toward 60s musicians is palpable. 2021 They at least had a beat and memorable songs. Chicago: Level 2 It's a smaller body of work. The Cure: 8/10 Oh Wait, those dimwhits on the election committee have overlooked them again! Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers: 9/10 ZZ Top: 7/10 8/10 = No Brainers Bill Haley & The Comets: 9/10 -the Non-Performers? 191. The Pretenders: 8/10 Clearly, you have not been listening to much indie music or Radiohead over the last twenty years.E, Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 15:24pm. The Spinners Pete Maravich, 77. Led Zeppelin: 10/10 Have at it. "Don't Let It End (Till You Let It Begin)-Betty Everett . Where's number 5? 81. One of the more underappreciated recent stars in the NBA. I meant the DIRECT influence on later generations of rockers from people who were rockers themselves. Posted by Donovan on Tuesday, 10/21/2014 @ 23:03pm, move to 4: Al Ciraldo Voice of Georgia Tech Athletics. James Brown & The Famous Flames: 10/10 7. The Dave Clark Five 10/10 = Immortals, Legends & Icons I'd prefer Nina on Level 2, but I'd ultimately have no problem putting all the artists on Level 1. Blondie: 8/10 Rush: 7/10 Dirk Nowitski (up from Level 2, below Mikan). Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers: 6/10 Foreword by Malcom Gladwell "The work of a true fan . 2015 Move Fleetwood Mac to 4. Kareem, 3. The Drifters: 10/10 Get Museum Tickets The Shirelles: 9/10 The Band ABBA: 7/10 4. Sure, they influenced Green Day and some others. Chicago- 4 He took a Magic team with no other All-Stars to the Finals while beating LeBron in LeBron's prime. Carly Simon Doobie Brothers-5 The Beatles should be level 0, abd Poison moves up to level 5. 59. Posted by Gary on Saturday, 01/5/2019 @ 04:20am. Muddy Waters (Level 5) Nina Simone 1999 12. 135. He wound up avoiding being lumped in to any Rock and Roll labeling likely because he was being marketed to a wider and more mature audience than the industry was marketing towards for the acts that got lumped into the early Rock and Roll label. Traffic I would like to see it. Axl Rose managed to alienate the rest of GNR when the success went to his head and forced them to sign over the rights to the band name. 1994 If I were to drop anyone it would be The Beastie Boys, or Elvis Costello. The Mamas & The Papas: 6/10 10.. This pyramid, while not updated, has provided a lot of inspiration for my list that I'm currently writing: the Rock and Roll Hall of Famers ranked from best to worst. James Taylor Was it based on their brilliant songs? Sandwiching him in with the other me-first scorers from other generations. At LEAST LEVEL 4 !! 222. Taking risks? Level 3 Joan Baez- 4 I'd push the Velvet Underground to 3. Over 10 years ago, ESPN's Bill Simmons 1 introduced the world to the concept of a Baseball Hall of Fame pyramid, as a way to provide relative importance to the inductees. Lionel Richie The Drifters 117. Bonnie Raitt: 7/10 And I'd love to invent a 0 just for Def Leppard. -------------------------------------------------- GNR: 9/10 142. The Blues Brothers Posted by shrek on Friday, 01/11/2019 @ 20:45pm. Tom Chambers, 109. It's Bill's idea and his rankings, I'm simply putting a fresh coat of paint on the building. Nine Inch Nails Posted by John R.C. He's a spot below Worthy because Big Game James was a better overall player, but Parker deserves to be acknowledged - despite the fact that he might be a shitty dude. Santana: 8/10 Van Halen "We have developed computational methods to measure historical significance through analysis of Wikipedia and other data sources. Posted by M. Scott on Friday, 09/23/2016 @ 02:41am. Ramones They are also the MOST-COVERED Motown act of all timeand have the MOST Grammy Hall of Fame-inducted songs of ANY Motown groupand have the MOST SONGS on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's list of "The 500 Songs That Shaped Rock and Roll". The Bee Gees Dave Cowens, 35. I can't in good conscience not include Manu in the Pyramid. Tina Turner-3 most best artists list Tina Turner solo, even though it includes her work with Ike, would just be easier to have them slot right next to eachother Electric Light Orchestra SHOP AROUND, YOU'VE REALLY GOT A HOLD ON ME, OOO BABY BABY, THE TRACKS OF MY TEARS, MORE LOVE, THE TEARS OF A CLOWN, I SECOND THAT EMOTION,BABY BABY DON'T CRY, LOVE MACHINEand MORE !! Nina Simone (Level 2) 1988 Lead Belly That made for a conveniently proportionate pyramid: 12 acts in Level 5, 24 in Level 4, 36 in Level 3, 48 in Level 4 and 60 in Level 5. "A Legend In Its Own Time" J Dilla (as an exercept of his song "One Eleven"). Manu was damn good and didn't get the traditional accolades to back it up. Lots of 1s easily are 3 and 4s. Posted by Mark on Wednesday, 05/8/2019 @ 17:32pm. Anyone voted in simply because they reached a benchmark (sold lots of records, had a lot of hits, etc.) I can't put a guy in Level 4 who never got to the Finals. And why couldnt it last? NWA - 3 (=Public Enemy) John Mellencamp Argument could be made for a level 5, on the par with James Brown for a mid-career musical reinvention that created a brand new major genre. Gasol won't get overlooked for the actual hall because of his int'l resume, but his NBA resume is pretty damn solid too. Outside of Biggie and Jay-Z, no one else really needs to be above Level 1. By the way, do you guys think I was right in picking The Zombies and Bon Jovi (both level 1) for "great short career" and "very good long career" or would other acts fit those terms better? But if there was an "Early Influences" pyramid, then Sister Rosetta Tharpe would at least be a 4. "That's What Love Is Made Of" Michael Jackson, Bobby Vee, Choker Campbell, The Magicians. Hilarious. And how the hell could OKC ever trade James Harden after Game 5? ZZ Top Also, Phil Spector is probably the 'meanest' of all the HOFers in that he's a criminally insane psychopath who was unhinged for decades before murdering Lana Clarkson (a classic example being him bringing a bag of coins to a divorce hearing to make his first alimony payment to Ronnie Spector as well as his repeated assaults and death threats to her). Nine Inch Nails (Level 2) I could then see Bruce Springsteen, David Bowie, Pink Floyd, and Aretha Franklin, maybe even Buddy Holly or Neil Young moving up to tier 5. On which levels do you think each of these artists belongs? Earth, Wind & Fire: 8/10 5/10 = Average/Borderline Johnny Cash, REM, Led Zeppelin, Sly & the Family Stone, Neil Young, Pink Floyd, Bruse Springsteen. Rosetta was put in as an Early Influence, but I get what you mean; man, they really let some of these sections go to waste! Blake Griffin doesn't make the Pyramid, but he was a Top 3 guy for a few years there. Charles Barkley, 22. Santana: 8/10 The Sixth Man award almost always goes to the NBAs highest-scoring bench player. Among these are: Almost all of their hits were self-written, making them unique among Motown acts. Are you serious? They were the VANGUARD ACT of Berry Gordy's Motown empire. Ritchie Valens: 7/10 Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Lastly, here are some of my favorite films: Did they have transcendent songs and albums or memorable moments? And believe it or not, but I actually like them. 1/10 = Not even worth of mention The pyramid is done by the site administration while the rankings are done by site users, so it's more a case of differing opinions. Loudest other then metal: THe Rolling Stones, The Kinks, The Who, The Stooges, Public Enemy, Dave Clark Five. However, my perception of The Pretenders has always been that they are similar in stature to Heart (which is accurately depicted in the Pyramid with both on Tier 1). 50. The most obvious one to me is Metallica, who are no brainers for level 4 at least, and could possibly mount a case (admittedly a weak one) for level 5. Not really. "Oh Be My Love"- Barbara Lewis, The Supremes, Barbara McNair. "Got A Job" The Marcels Joni Mitchell: 9/10 MOTOWN GROUPS RANKED ON ROLLING STONE'S LIST OF ), Dolly Parton, Boyz II Men, Human Nature, among many others Public Enemy (lower 2nd) Least deserving inductee (anyone but Madonna, ABBA, or any Hip Hop inductees*)? Even as he was on the downside of his career, he was still hitting huge shots that swung championships. The Temptations: 10/10 I can forgive MJ being ranked above the King (though I disagree), but Madge over the Fab Four? Beauty & The Beast 11. Jimmy Reed: 8/10 Posted by Zach on Wednesday, 10/30/2013 @ 17:40pm, Hi, Zach. Nina Simone- 4 118. Every single one. Curtis Mayfield: 9/10 De Bravo, Little Willie G., Oran "Juice" Jones. David Bowie should be moved up to the top of the fourth level. If you want to argue he was a shitty teammate, fine, but on talent and resume, he belongs in the Top 50. Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 16:03pm. a.k.a. David Robinson, 33. 1)Do you have to consider them in any "best of all-time" discussions? Bill breaks it all down with The Ringers Joe House. Here is how the artists in the pyramid sit relative to the rest of the artists in rock and roll. " They were the FIRST Motown group. Isiah Thomas, 25. Sabbath, Metallica, Johnny Cash, R.E.M. He's slightly ahead of Scottie because Wade took over the 2006 Finals and Scottie never really managed to be that guy - even in '94 when he finished 3rd in the MVP voting. Crosby, Stills & Nash (Level 2) 12. Dan Issel, 88. Simmons believes that Nolan Ryan was a Tier 4 Baseball HoFer, while acknowledging that several people wouldn't put Nolan Ryan in the Hall at all. Underrated, or too low: John Mellencamp, Mamas+Papas, Temptations, Frank Zappa, The Rascals, The Hollies, Posted by Bill on Tuesday, 08/19/2014 @ 19:29pm. It's that "X" Factor that separates true legends from also-rans.The Men from the Boys. Carly Simon (Level 1) Isaac Hayes: 7/10 The Beach Boys 5 Jerry Lee Lewis and The Everly Brothers should both go up in their rankings. They are certainly not on the level of Bowie, Springsteen, Aretha, or Nirvana, even Michael. Nope! Rodin Hood: Men In Tights on Saturday, 03/9/2013 @ 22:30pm. Pei, also designed the most famous modern pyramid, the controversial 1988 addition to the Louvre., 3. Tupac Shakur How did the series flip? People will still be listening to their music, hundreds, if not thousands of years from now. Van Halen: 9/10 "If You Can Want" The Dirtbombs, Barbara McNair, Chazz Dixon. Was this OKCs Apex Mountain? 1989 The Ink Spots Yes, and the rest of the list is just like you said. Topic: Bill Simmons NBA Hall of Fame Pyramid (Read 15782 times) armand_a. Your Account; Logout; Login; Create Account; You're invited! Most mean inductee? By kbarbs37. Sam and Dave Hardcover. Except perhaps Bon Jovi, which I would put in the sub-basement if it were within my power to do so. 22. Deal wit' it, yo. "My Girl Has Gone" Etienne Daho, Bobby Taylor, Edwyn Collins, Ken Parker. Posted by Handsome Bob on Thursday, 05/16/2019 @ 23:13pm, ** THE MIRACLESand why they SHOULD be Level 4:** 33. The Miracles, Motown's first group, are the most covered Motown group of ALL TIME. Deep Purple (Level 2) The guy's impact has been very strongly compared to Picasso i really have a hard time seeing him not being capable of being a 5 even if he's blacklisted by the hall for years. on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 02:05am. Very good insight expect Dolly should be Level 2 mostly because she's one of the most important women in popular music as a whole. The Bee Gees 2 The Zombies: 5/10 By 2030, most people will agree he's the best basketball player ever as the memories of MJ fade even more. Something went wrong. 6. Eminem (Level 4) 68. Posted by Follower on Friday, 12/14/2018 @ 00:18am. The inductees on Level 1 on the other hand, are often the reason the Rock Hall makes so many people crazy. Aerosmith "Come On Do The Jerk" The Righteous Brothers , The T-Bones 2002 Heckthe first Motown act, PERIOD. Jason Voigt, Steve Miller: 3/10 Little Anthony: Influenced Donna Summer. 146. 5. 132. Brenda Lee Cheap Trick: Level 2 Hal Greer, 54. Partially covered up there, but Tony Iommi comes across as quite humble when I've seen him interviewed. ELO The Hollies: 3/10 No 2010s NBA game unleashed more what ifs than Game 6 of the 2016 Western Conference finals. - I didn't change any rankings for anyone who retired before that year. (including Chicago) New York: ESPN Books. Elvis Presley: 10/10 "Happy Landing" - The Temptations. I actually think that every act up there is almost exactly where they should be. Little Richard (Level 5) Black Sabbath Posted by Yours Truly on Tuesday, 09/25/2018 @ 14:24pm, Posted by Yours Truly on Tuesday, 09/25/2018 @ 17:10pm, Sex Pistols should be moved way up, Id put them at level one in my opinion. But the Celtics Brogdon is mounting a well-rounded campaign that hearkens back to some of the earliest Sixth Men. Etta James Level Two: Im-Ho-Tep (Boris Karloff) 2005, 1999 like I said, a lot of great years, Posted by Philip on Saturday, 03/9/2013 @ 21:58pm. "Who's Loving You" The Jackson 5, En Vogue, Terence Trent D'Arby, Brenda Holloway, The Supremes, The Temptations, Honey Cone, Stevie B., Archie Bell & the Drells, Nikka Costa. 198. Aretha Franklin: 10/10 MORE PROOF !!! 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