Ive reached out for three gentlemen all of whom I call a friend for advice and a few experiences regarding their encounters. sounds like you have too many guns and cant decide on which one to take. When the smoke cleared the bear was on its back waving its legs. Its lack of weight had me cringing at first, expecting some wrist-wrenching recoil, but I was pleasantly surprised with the manageability of the K6s. Can a wolf beat a mountain lion? One guy, a native of Alaska (Marty) carried a .22 Magnum revolver. My gun will push the strong 300-grain hollowpoints to just under 1,200 fps, and thats a formula that can end a confrontation. These were not accidental sow with cubs, surprised a bear in a dumpster, etc. I was very intrigued by their weapons selection. Last time I was buying bulk ammo in 5.56 mm NATO, 9 mm, .40 Smith, .44 Mag and Yes I admit this was a freak happening. All cats are rats. No matter what anybody says, Shoemaker got lucky with that 9mm on the bear. Hunting, 1400+ fpm with a 140-grain FMJ bullet out of a 4.5-inch barrel. Great article, even better advise-44 mag super redhawk will be on my side when the opportunity comes my way. Traveling with several other people may also help discourage a bear attacking as they usually want the least confrontation unless it is a mother bear protecting her cubs. If you can't gain proficiency and carry something of reasonable power level, then go with spray. Under normal circumstances, the lion would have returned to eat the prey. Powerful but lower recoil than a .454 Casull, .460 or a .500 S&W. I call those DGUs as easily as a person on person. The first dozen rounds I shot were without gloves and I got a severe cut on my support hand thumb! Photo Courtesy: Cork Graham. It would beat the pants off any .44mag for sure. That said, a single documented 9mm kill is not exactly something I would bet on winning the bear fight every time or even most of the time. If a domestic animal (pet/livestock) is injured or killed by a mountain lion, the owner has the legal right in California to have the mountain lion killed. Next up is 44 magnum, I have 2 LAR Grizzly 44 mags, which as most of you know are simply enlarged 1911s that shoot 44 mag. Definitely not in the same category as a Mounain lion. Can mountain lions jump? Yea, a revolver and its speed loaders generally only hold 6 rounds each, but it can be reloaded very quickly. No mention here of my favorite back woods carry gun, a 50 cal Desert Eagle. Protect your neck, throat, and head. Mountain lions are a protected species in California. A California man has been sentenced to 30 days in jail and other penalties for the killing of a protected mountain lion over the summer. Key Points: No dog, regardless of the breed, would be able to take on a full-grown mountain lion solo. Not enough bullet weight. to a .22 or .32 the .38 Special 148 grain lead target wad-cutter is ideal for these purposes. Question whats your life worth to you. That said, I wish someone would come up with a good ballistic gel/trauma plate simulated bear and test out everything from .22 LR to all the Dirty Harry stuff, .44 Mag and up. The compilation lists 61 mountain lion attacks that resulted in injuries in the 16 and a half years, and at least 31 cases where attacks were thwarted by aggressive action. 400g hornady JHP on a 300lb hog shot from front, while laying prone, went through the shoulder, traveled full length of body and exited hind-quarter over 2.5 feet of thick, dense, penetration. He ran to get the gun, and when the animal started to investigate whether P.J.s head was bite-sized, Smith told him to shoot the animal, which he did with one extremely well-placed shot. The Complicated Truth About Mountain Lion Encroachment. A revolver is a one threat gun so unless you are Jerry Miculek you will run out of ammo with a revolver. You can love a single action revolver but you wont find an Alaskan guide or hunter carrying one, or a semi-auto pistol without a 45-70 or 338WinMag at the ready. Buffalo bore ammo is available, very hard hitting and lethal. The statement that you wont be able to dump a full magazine into a charging bear is likely true as well. 9mm is acceptable against two legged foes, but with an angry mountain lion you want something with some real punch to it. mountain lion primarily subsists on large ungulates, small mammals including porcupine, hares and rabbits, ground squirrels, and beaver may also supplement its diet. .38 special have been a huge disappointment for me. He said not really. No bear or cubs life is worth a human life. Outdoors. While being careful not to say Bear Spray is the Cats meow.. (something to do with not wanting to have their pants sued off by someone who follows their articles advice and whose relatives sue? What would make a good companion piece [long gun] regardless of sidearm? The shop will have something to shoot almost every time regardless of where you are. A man accused of taking part in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot is now facing house arrest for killing a mountain lion in Colorado - with a gun he wasn't supposed to have.. Patrick Montgomery was . Of course you can imagine the hysterical reactions that suggestion creates.. BTW chest rig is way to go with X frame revolvers. I carry my Glock G20 SF 10mm when I walk our dogs. It seems to be a matter of carrying largest caliber you can for the situation, with the proviso that you be able to deliver sufficient rounds on target. I still carry that early 41 mag in bear country but just recently bought an early M-58 and am going to carry it as it is easier to draw with no adj sights. They have been most noted in the mountains of California but had, at one time, been found across North and South America. My advice would be take the largest caliber you can comfortably handle. Shoot, shovel, and shut up. The Hornady 325gr Leverevolution is a whole different story. The FORGOTTEN GUN (but one of the best Alaska Bear Guns) is the Ruger .480 7.5 OR 10. The hunting part mostly Brown bear hunting. Carry a 5 S&W 500 loaded with 700 gr hardcast from Ballistic Supply. can a 38 special kill a mountain lion. The issues penetration. 200gr LRN out of my G29 or EAA Elite Match. shop reading and start thinking. Jim Farmer Carry to fit your states wild life? This one took exception.) The mountain lion will most likely attempt to tackle you and crush your skull or bite your throat. I believe that folks who do their own reloading can increase the powder and velocity of this caliber, but I am reluctant to try the beefed up bullets in a Scandium or polymer framed weapon. The Hodgden #25 manual does show loads for a 200-grain bullet using HS6, Trap100 and HP38 powders. I have used the Casull to take a lot of game including several black bears so I understand the terminal ballistics of this cartridge pretty well. In most cases, a 22 caliber rifle will not be able to kill a mountain lion. My thought I disagree one cant empty a glock into a bearIf that makes me a fool then I guess Ill continue to be one but I fire all those guns weekly having the benefit of a backyard range. A farmer living in Lower Lake, in Lake County, noticed the dead lambs last week and notified the California Department of Fish and Wildlife. Its a free country Plinker you are free to engage in Prayer, Ritual and Incantations by the light of the moon. Not back in the camper because its too heavy or bulky. May 12, 2018. With respect to the brownies, I have reached out to the bear guides, residents and hunters for their wisdom and experience on the matter, to find out exactly which sidearms they favor and why. and I usually see a grizzly when I hunt almost within sight of Cody Wy. The 30-50 yd accuracy is simple.AMAZING SHOT PLACEMENT WITH POWER. is excellent. When it comes to the coastal brown bear, thats a whole different animal. ; Dog breeds that are large, powerful, and possess protective instincts, like the German Shepard, are excellent dogs to have . The .45 Colt (L) and .454 Casull (R). If not, always nice to have to many guns.. After wearing out a few S&W frames in 44mag, I switched to the short barreled Ruger Alaskan in 44mag. There is a lot of nonsense out on the internet from people who have never seen a bear and have probably never cut up a dead critter to see what a bullet will do. I always heard all you need is a .25 auto. .38 Special is great . double action using 250gr. Mountain lions are apex predators with the ability to kill elk, mule deer, and coyotes with ease - but they aren't usually aggressive toward hikers and their dogs. Buffalo bore makes a 380 grain hardcast gas checked round now too. Mountain lions actually have the largest hind legs (proportionally) of all the members of the cat family. I wonder how much penetration that will make on a bears skull? delivered him from a mortal fate. 1988 a Montana Fish and Game Officer utilized same handgun to dispatch a Grizzly Were they harder to kill then healthy racoons, no. Lmaoand excellent thought below about the 454 brass trimmed down. Worse is the comment on using a .38 Spl in bear country is better then no gun: BS, if your not prepared, dont go! The rabid coons were like a drunk, or drugged as they did not acknowledge being shotAmmo used.45 corbon 185 gr hp + p. 9 mm Federal hydroshok 124gr. This was a glaring example of surprise; this area, while remote, rugged and wooded, wasnt known for its bear population, very few had ever been seen there, but that one bear had my employees undivided attention. coastal on the Alaska peninsula quartering away with a .338 Win mag. Lesson learned never keep food for bears in your camp site. There are too many variables involved to deliberatly under gun yourself on a planned trip in bear country. Mountain lions killed 15 dogs in 30 days near a Colorado town. They are thin skinned and with a broadside shot would drop it like a rock, with one shot. Mountain Lions are extremely fast, territorial, and capable of seriously injuring and killing even an adult human. Also, for killing venomous snakes. If you put a 6.25 inch barrel on the glock 20 it is very capable of stopping most large animals. I often have to carry elk quarters out in the Bitteroot mountans, which is heavy populated with wolves, grizzly, black bear, and moose, all of which I have had numerous too close for comfort encounters where Ive had to draw down. I have been involved in stopping several black bears intent on doing us damage and have stood two brown bear charges without shooting; although in one of them I probably should have pulled the trigger. Owing to circumstances at their place, I wasnt able to go. in bullet weight and energy. A farmer living in Lower Lake, in Lake County, noticed the dead lambs last week and notified the California Department of Fish and Wildlife. All shots were heart lung ,,,edit,, All shots were attempted heart lung. Mountain lions have been terrorizing livestock in Lake County over the past weeks, and this was not the first instance to be reported to authorities. Can you show any proof that we are destroying anything? Florida State Lawmakers Introduce 'Constitutional Carry', The Staccato CS Brings Real Performance to the Concealed, Meet ROSE: SIG SAUER's Complete Concealed Carry Solution for, Honolulu Issues First Concealed Carry License. Its light and easy to carry.. Absolutely. I wasnt sure if the .357 was really optimal for bear spanking as my father, a hunter and 23 year US Army Combat Veteran would say and couldnt bring myself to splurge on either 10mm or something in the .44 magnum ranges. I bought Bear Loads in .45 LC and .357 MAG, but they were both hollow points (300 & 180 grains, respectively). Surprisingly, I had to shoot it THREE times in the head, from INCHES away before it died. I do reload them hot. Cork Grahams rig. fresh kill 1994 watch online. But please.no one has mentioned marine flares..is the problem that they do not work or that they are too slow to activate. In the question of "Is the .22 LR Long Rifle within the ideal range of suitable calibers for cougar or . The most restrictive, California State Proposition 117, passed in 1990, prohibits the killing of any mountain lion except in the case of an animal that poses a direct threat to people, pets, or . I think any handgun is insufficient for grizzly, but having spent countless hours hunting and fishing, carrying a shotgun or rifle 100% of the time just isnt realistic. By the time I am loaded with bow, backpack, and tree stand, I am at 50 plus pounds and I am 50+. So the point is simple; a wonderful collection of pistols at home wont do you any good, youll have to make do with what you have, Like the Boy Scout motto says, Be Prepared. Those who think they can empty their Glock into a charging bear are fools. thanks again from a Liberal Gun Toting Okie! The free enterprise system in Africa works for big game, and for the villagers. Humans make a choice to attack you and deserve what they get. vermin such as raccoon, skunk, possum, etc. The 7 -inch barrel makes for a bit more cumbersome handgun, but the author feels the accuracy is well worth it. In Africa the wholesale slaughter of wild game was done to make room for agriculture and the safety of the farmers many of whom blasted off their feet the entire big game population for miles around. Park staff monitor the population through satellite GPS collars, remote cameras and . Bear is a bear, you underestimate them at your own peril. A 45 Long Colt? That is your choice. Folks need to realize that most .45 Colt cases are not strong enough to handle those high pressure loads even if the gun could. Required fields are marked *. People living in neighborhoods around Nederland wonder why Colorado Parks and Wildlife can't do more to stop attacks on their pets. Curious if anyone has evaluated any of the older Cold War Warsaw Pact pistols. A Sacramento Bee investigation revealed in 2017 that thanks to that language, Californians have killed far more mountain lions since Proposition 117 passed then they did before.. Magnum Research 45-70 isnt bad either ! counter-shrunk chambers, and original factory Goncalo Alves target grips. Buffalo bore and underwood make fmj,hardcast and exteme hunter ammo. It is illegal to injure or kill them. While attempting to release the Grizzly an accident occurred with the bear on top of You go first, Ill watch. from the bear. There are videos out there that show this gun/ammo combo going through both sides of the current US Army helmet. WLN LBT even at long ranges with factory twists. the vast majority of industry gun writers are basically shilling new gear and tend to exist in a repetitive echo chamber with little or no practical experience. Unlike grizzlies, black bears seem to be much less predictable and do not give as many signals huffing, grunting, ears back, etc. Caliber: 357 or better. Is it a powerhouse, as a bear cartridge? Bears, wild critters, thats all very nice and fluffy. Use a handgun. Browning on your sail boat, that will keep you happy ! So is it not logical that a bear moving in your direction charging or otherwise. COME AND GET IT! Shot placement . There are too many stories of people getting mauled by bears that charged right through their attempt to spray it, and they could never get to their gun in time once the bear hit. 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